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Post by je85 on May 14, 2022 11:46:28 GMT
Needed a thread of its own so here it is ‘GB was sacked last week. Press release on Monday’… so thoughts, feelings, emotions please.
To get things going my opinion is that if GB has been let go you would expect a ready made replacement waiting in the wings. Appleton has been the name most consistently linked with the job, but after every sacking Roy Keane has been appearing around the top fan polls on social media. Wouldn’t be surprised to see the likes of Warburton, Carrick’s names thrown in the mix also.
I think it’s a real shame if this proves to be true, GB has some strong pieces in place with this squad and clearly the priority needs to be the recruitment of players not another manager. I also think in fits and spurts the football has been good and at Moor Lane the teams above, especially in the second half of the season haven’t really seemed as far ahead of this group as the league table would suggest.
My view is that more needs to be asked of Casper and Greg Strong than GB as we go into the summer.
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Post by chipbarm on May 14, 2022 14:19:42 GMT
If true then I think I'm done with it, we're turning into a complete circus. Opposition fans will have a field day and rightly so. How can you preach loyalty and stability on every TV programme going and all over the Internet and then sack your manager every other season because you woke up in a bad mood that day. Utter garbage if true and I won't be renewing my ST.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 14, 2022 16:17:19 GMT
If true then I think I'm done with it, we're turning into a complete circus. Opposition fans will have a field day and rightly so. How can you preach loyalty and stability on every TV programme going and all over the Internet and then sack your manager every other season because you woke up in a bad mood that day. Utter garbage if true and I won't be renewing my ST. My post is based on the assumption that GB has been sacked. If I were a recent convert to Salford (Post Cof92) I think I’d be done with it too. But I was here before them, so I’m thinking…..why should I be the one to leave? There is a hypocritical element to this and I don’t know how our controlling owner can preach as he does and not live by his own statements. We need stability more than anything else right now. The repeated failed attempts to get promoted will end up costing more than if we’d have let this happen organically. Every season, we are starting all over again. I do have an idea in my head about the possibility of not renewing my season ticket and just paying on the gate. That’s possibly the only sanction I can realistically hit the club with. But I need a seat and my ST guarantees this.
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Post by zak on May 15, 2022 8:44:36 GMT
if this is true, then so be it. dont understand the support on here for GB. cant understand why he was given the job in the first place. he cost us a place in the play offs last season with his poor tactics and selection in the colchester game. As for this season he should have been gone by the turn of the year. even through our good run there was some poor displays. he was sacked in his previous managerial role at bradford . sorry but for me if he has been released it is good news
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 15, 2022 9:08:57 GMT
if this is true, then so be it. dont understand the support on here for GB. cant understand why he was given the job in the first place. he cost us a place in the play offs last season with his poor tactics and selection in the colchester game. As for this season he should have been gone by the turn of the year. even through our good run there was some poor displays. he was sacked in his previous managerial role at bradford . sorry but for me if he has been released it is good news No single game cost us the playoffs. Every team lost games they should have won. Our early season form lost us the playoffs. It’s ridiculous to therefore say. If we’d have won that game there and taken a point here…. It could be that GB did well with a mediocre squad. You don’t understand the ‘support’ on here for GB, but we don’t understand why some of our fans thinking changing the manager every season is conducive to a good, settled squad. I don’t think any of us believe GB is perfect. But at some point, we have to give a manager the chance to turn th8ngs around…….with his OWN players. We have an owner that slags off other owners for not giving managers a proper chance, then comes back to Salford and goes against everything he’s preaching on Sky Sports. Then he puts enormous pressure on the team with his silly comments in the press and then we wonder why we fail. If we change our manager again, I’ll never believe the word our owners again.
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Post by chipbarm on May 15, 2022 9:46:42 GMT
if this is true, then so be it. dont understand the support on here for GB. cant understand why he was given the job in the first place. he cost us a place in the play offs last season with his poor tactics and selection in the colchester game. As for this season he should have been gone by the turn of the year. even through our good run there was some poor displays. he was sacked in his previous managerial role at bradford . sorry but for me if he has been released it is good news Not GB per se but the ridiculous, constant changing of managers for no good reason. It hasn't worked so far in L2 and dare I say our run of promotions from non league was due in some way to managerial stability. GN needs to practice what he preaches. And if we're saying GB should be sacked because his last club sacked him then no manager would ever have a job. It's inevitable at some point of course but after a season and a half ad nauseum? What if the new guy does no better, do we sack him too? The bloke linked with the job only has a slightly better career win record than GB so doesn't bode well
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 15, 2022 10:58:51 GMT
if this is true, then so be it. dont understand the support on here for GB. cant understand why he was given the job in the first place. he cost us a place in the play offs last season with his poor tactics and selection in the colchester game. As for this season he should have been gone by the turn of the year. even through our good run there was some poor displays. he was sacked in his previous managerial role at bradford . sorry but for me if he has been released it is good news Not GB per se but the ridiculous, constant changing of managers for no good reason. It hasn't worked so far in L2 and dare I say our run of promotions from non league was due in some way to managerial stability. GN needs to practice what he preaches. And if we're saying GB should be sacked because his last club sacked him then no manager would ever have a job. It's inevitable at some point of course but after a season and a half ad nauseum? What if the new guy does no better, do we sack him too? The bloke linked with the job only has a slightly better career win record than GB so doesn't bode well Spot on.
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Post by je85 on May 16, 2022 8:14:00 GMT
Even David Ornstein is chipping in on this in his Monday column and even he is questioning the owners namely GN’s stance on changing managers.
This could become a massive distraction and might get double spicy between the support and the owners.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 16, 2022 9:02:59 GMT
Even David Ornstein is chipping in on this in his Monday column and even he is questioning the owners namely GN’s stance on changing managers. This could become a massive distraction and might get double spicy between the support and the owners. So it should. They own the club and can do as they like. We have limited sanctions available, but we can at least call them out on it.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 16, 2022 9:06:09 GMT
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Post by je85 on May 16, 2022 10:31:44 GMT
All this swirling round and I actually still can’t get how Casper and Greg Strong’s names are not mentioned when it comes to recruitment. Because ultimately GB has been pragmatic with the players available in a League that is more competitive than the two above, appreciate the standard is higher etc. Appleton will have to do the same if it’s him for next season. My worry here is we lacked depth and quality around Matt Smith, BTA, Watson and Kelly offensively to finish chances and kill off teams from January. Ultimately to convert draws to wins. There is a lot of quality in the league that either haven’t signed deals or are being released and we have an ownership group that prides itself on having the bucks for the bang(Lee Molyneux @ Hartlepool, Keillor-Dunn @ Oldham, Dom Telford @ Newport to name a few). It doesn’t appear to me they are be prioritising anything other than replacing the manager. Appreciate new manager may want X and Y but we circles Salford will be recruiting from is getting more congested season by season in L2.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 16, 2022 11:27:32 GMT
All this swirling round and I actually still can’t get how Casper and Greg Strong’s names are not mentioned when it comes to recruitment. Because ultimately GB has been pragmatic with the players available in a League that is more competitive than the two above, appreciate the standard is higher etc. Appleton will have to do the same if it’s him for next season. My worry here is we lacked depth and quality around Matt Smith, BTA, Watson and Kelly offensively to finish chances and kill off teams from January. Ultimately to convert draws to wins. There is a lot of quality in the league that either haven’t signed deals or are being released and we have an ownership group that prides itself on having the bucks for the bang(Lee Molyneux @ Hartlepool, Keillor-Dunn @ Oldham, Dom Telford @ Newport to name a few). It doesn’t appear to me they are be prioritising anything other than replacing the manager. Appreciate new manager may want X and Y but we circles Salford will be recruiting from is getting more congested season by season in L2. I used to watch Bolton and at the end of every season, it was the same. All the other clubs do business and the Bolton scouts all went on holiday. Once they got back, all the other clubs had done their recruitment and Bolton went in to see what’s left. We knew why it happened at Bolton, but I can’t see why it happens at Salford? Maybe it doesn’t? Maybe we are in early, but we aren’t such an attractive proposition for most players, so we end up with the scraps? Just for once, I would like to see deals tied up early and so give the impression we are competing for the better signings, because we always see really good players dropping down a league or going to a club that will struggle. You would think we’d be a better option…..if we go in for them?
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Post by je85 on May 16, 2022 12:40:07 GMT
One of the things I have realised is high player turnover and shorter contracts are the norm at this level, especially post covid. There is a number of factors for this but getting out the league ASAP is one of if not the biggest one.
I was listening to a podcast with the Plymouth Chairman who was talking about squad composition and how that shapes recruitment. Essentially they know who they will promote from the dev and youth squads, who will effectively age out for the style of play, player sales, manager specific requirements and purchases at all times - they literally have an NFL style draft board in the analysts office. The aim is to have a rounded squad to get them out of the league but they can move the dial accordingly because they have a plan and a structure for whatever they need.
I know this sounds a bit Football Manager 2018 but I don’t see it happening at Salford and ironically it would be the more economically mindful way to do things.
Only thing I can think they are waiting for on recruitment is the north west Prem clubs released lists as to why they haven’t moved yet. But again it all comes back to recruitment and not the Manager.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on May 16, 2022 12:47:24 GMT
One of the things I have realised is high player turnover and shorter contracts are the norm at this level, especially post covid. There is a number of factors for this but getting out the league ASAP is one of if not the biggest one. I was listening to a podcast with the Plymouth Chairman who was talking about squad composition and how that shapes recruitment. Essentially they know who they will promote from the dev and youth squads, who will effectively age out for the style of play, player sales, manager specific requirements and purchases at all times - they literally have an NFL style draft board in the analysts office. The aim is to have a rounded squad to get them out of the league but they can move the dial accordingly because they have a plan and a structure for whatever they need. I know this sounds a bit Football Manager 2018 but I don’t see it happening at Salford and ironically it would be the more economically mindful way to do things. Only thing I can think they are waiting for on recruitment is the north west Prem clubs released lists as to why they haven’t moved yet. But again it all comes back to recruitment and not the Manager. Our owner believes in the Sporting Director approach and has advocated that for Man U also. He said they MUST employ a Sporting Director. But.....and this is a genuine question....what does a Sporting Director do? We have the manager who knows what he wants. Scouts to find the players he wants and a chairman and secretary to sort the contract. So is the SD role in place of all those? Secondly, what are the qualifications for an SD?
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Post by odell86 on May 16, 2022 13:12:16 GMT
Still no news….?
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