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Post by chipbarm on Mar 22, 2021 14:23:08 GMT
Well that was short lived wasn’t it, what a sorry state of affairs all round. Presumably we’ll hang fire and appoint in the close season but as for who God knows
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Post by blakeduden on Mar 22, 2021 14:36:31 GMT
Well I'd say Danny Crowley but I see Portsmouth snatched him up last week.
Michael Appleton makes all the sense in the world, local lad, grew up in the Man U academy, successful results along the way! But I believe he just signed an extension at Lincoln.
I'm guessing we'll get Warren Joyce, Keane or Scholes to finish out the year at the very least.
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Post by papermoon on Mar 22, 2021 15:16:01 GMT
Jamie Carragher having a cheeky dig at GN in his tweet today, retweeting Gary's own opinion. He'll defend OGS til his dying breath but he won't back his own manager....  Attachments:
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Post by alanb on Mar 22, 2021 15:21:27 GMT
Re the above. These things do have a nasty habit of coming back to bite us, eh! Unlucky with that one, Gary. 
On the issue itself though... Who among us is particularly surprised? Disappointed? RW's post-match interview on Saturday was rather woeful. All that we've got to be careful of now is that we don't find ourselves using the words "frying pan" and "fire" in the not-too-distant future, eh. But, frankly, I don't think that we will be.  |
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Post by papermoon on Mar 22, 2021 15:35:52 GMT
I'm conscious that I'm being very critical of GN here when he's certainly not the only reason we're in this mess - but he's the most hands-on of the owners and surely the man with the most 'power' around the club. The fact he's so blindly faithful to his Utd squadmates of yesteryear and also seemingly unequipped to deal with any sort of actual adversity illustrates how he hasn't really moved on from his days of success. He probably grew so accustomed to winning everything from his time as a player that he just doesn't know where to start when it comes to fixing a broken situation - see his time at Valencia, for example.
His overbearing nature and his inherent flaws are well documented on this board so I won't go in on him too much here but really, this just seems like the latest in a long line of missteps from Neville (and the other owners) that leave the club with no real foundation in L2, a talented squad with no cohesion and a club probably punching above its weight due to relative financial freedom - but also held to impossible standards by its financiers.
Whoever gets the job, as long as the owners STEP BACK AND LET THEM MANAGE I'd be happy.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Mar 22, 2021 15:37:27 GMT
Jamie Carragher having a cheeky dig at GN in his tweet today, retweeting Gary's own opinion GN said in an early documentary that 'we are not going to be the type of club who keeps sacking their manager' Earlier in the season when put on the spot in a live interview he said 'We sack our managers when they are at the top'. A truly idiotic comment that you assume he regretted afterwards. We had B&J leave 'by mutual consent'. Now Wellens leaves 'by mutual consent'. That seems to be Neville-speak for 'sacked' at Salford. B&J as we know, were engineered out of the door, and I wonder if during this so-called showdown today, RW told him the players weren't good enough.....something RW's wife has apparently been claiming on Facebook since Saturday. GN wouldn't have liked that, because GN picked and signed them all. I'm not changing my mind on Wellens. He doesn't seem to be able to get the players to do what he wants. Our best game of the season (Wembley...ok, a good wide pitch) the team was forced on him, and for the next game, he changes it all back again. Unfortunately, it's the manager who pays the price and the end product just hasn't been good enough. Cheltenham barely broke sweat on Saturday. But we are now officially everything opposition fans have accused us of.....a rich-boy's plaything. A vanity project. We are a vanity project because of the insistence that we will go up every season. We are a vanity project because our managers now tend to leave by mutual consent, presumably to save GNs blushes. But the main reason we are a vanity project is because our owner is far too close to team matters. GN wants the fun of being a manager without the responsibility. How vain is it by GN and Karen Baird to proudly boast 'We have given the manager the players who will get us promoted. It's all on him now.' Who thought that kind of pressure would be a good motivator? GN deserves the ribbing from Carragher and some. The key question now is who will take over? It won't be fair to bring a new manager in now and judge him on a few games. I assume it will be an interim, Warren Joyce I suspect, to shepherd us through to the end of the season. If he does well, they may promote him. If not, they will get someone else. But it seems to me that our owners are as poor at picking managers as they are at picking players. One thing is for sure, if the players suddenly start playing wembley-like every game, I won't be pleased. I don't like the idea that players refuse to play for a manager, though so many of them have ben played out of position, it's understandable. |
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Post by bester16 on Mar 22, 2021 16:26:43 GMT
Gosh, well what a surprise ! Another manager stitched up the garden path ! When will Gary Neville and his “ job for my Utd mate “ the so called Director of Football, Chris Casper, allow a manager come in and have a say in what type of players he needs to build a decent side and give him more than a season to gel together a decent side we can support !
There are enough decent players in this team to do well in this league but for some reason they are not putting in enough fight and effort to win the games and is this the fault of the manager or players ? Are some just happy for one last decent payday or are they just not playing for the boss ?
I just hope that come next season they have brought in a successful manager that they allow to build together a solid squad that have signed to fight for there manager and not for the payday !
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Post by oldoaklands on Mar 22, 2021 16:36:04 GMT
If Gary Neville had been CEO of Manchester United in 1989 no doubt Alex Ferguson would have been out the door on the Monday after the 5-1 mauling at Maine Road.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Mar 22, 2021 17:35:40 GMT
I'm conscious that I'm being very critical of GN here when he's certainly not the only reason we're in this mess - but he's the most hands-on of the owners and surely the man with the most 'power' around the club. The fact he's so blindly faithful to his Utd squadmates of yesteryear and also seemingly unequipped to deal with any sort of actual adversity illustrates how he hasn't really moved on from his days of success. He probably grew so accustomed to winning everything from his time as a player that he just doesn't know where to start when it comes to fixing a broken situation - see his time at Valencia, for example. His overbearing nature and his inherent flaws are well documented on this board so I won't go in on him too much here but really, this just seems like the latest in a long line of missteps from Neville (and the other owners) that leave the club with no real foundation in L2, a talented squad with no cohesion and a club probably punching above its weight due to relative financial freedom - but also held to impossible standards by its financiers. Whoever gets the job, as long as the owners STEP BACK AND LET THEM MANAGE I'd be happy. I’m glad you’re not being too critical of him. 😂😂😂 |
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Post by blakeduden on Mar 22, 2021 18:03:39 GMT
Why not take a risk here and hire a non-league manager for the next 11 games and see what they can do in the spot light...Phil Parkinson, Jim Gannon, Daryl McMahon or Luke Garrard? Someone young, with a new attitude who wants to prove themselves. I know it won't happen but it'd be worth a shot!
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Post by papermoon on Mar 22, 2021 18:08:22 GMT
Yeaaah I guess my attempt at restraint wasn't really convincing 😂 I *try* and be more even-handed usually because it takes more than one person to run a club and it's clear there were (and still are) multiple failings at Salford; Wellens played his part, some overpaid journeymen played their part, everyone who continues to enable GN's behaviour played their part. However, he chose to make himself the figurehead of his own volition - he can't say the things he's very publicly said and not expect people to call him out on his hypocrisy. |
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Mar 22, 2021 18:22:25 GMT
Why not take a risk here and hire a non-league manager for the next 11 games and see what they can do in the spot light...Phil Parkinson, Jim Gannon, Daryl McMahon or Luke Garrard? Someone young, with a new attitude who wants to prove themselves. I know it won't happen but it'd be worth a shot! Impossible. The mindset of the owners is that the only way to get promoted is by having players and a manager who has already done it. Or have done it in a higher league. It’s probably why B&J were let go. Word was that the owners thought you couldn’t have these two oiks talking to professionals as they’d done in non-league. Well I’ll tell you what, most of our players could do with the Jonno treatment right now. No it will be more of the same I think. That’s a worry, because our owners record signing both managers and players has been woeful so far. |
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Mar 22, 2021 18:24:10 GMT
Yeaaah I guess my attempt at restraint wasn't really convincing 😂 I *try* and be more even-handed usually because it takes more than one person to run a club and it's clear there were (and still are) multiple failings at Salford; Wellens played his part, some overpaid journeymen played their part, everyone who continues to enable GN's behaviour played their part. However, he chose to make himself the figurehead of his own volition - he can't say the things he's very publicly said and not expect people to call him out on his hypocrisy. It’s true. The players should take a big chunk of the blame too. But as you say, he’s not only the figurehead, but he’s the hirer and firer of both the managers and the players. My guess is that he STILL thinks that’s the best way to do this and that the managers are letting him down. |
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Post by blakeduden on Mar 22, 2021 18:37:10 GMT
Why not take a risk here and hire a non-league manager for the next 11 games and see what they can do in the spot light...Phil Parkinson, Jim Gannon, Daryl McMahon or Luke Garrard? Someone young, with a new attitude who wants to prove themselves. I know it won't happen but it'd be worth a shot! Impossible. The mindset of the owners is that the only way to get promoted is by having players and a manager who has already done it. Or have done it in a higher league. It’s probably why B&J were let go. Word was that the owners thought you couldn’t have these two oiks talking to professionals as they’d done in non-league. Well I’ll tell you what, most of our players could do with the Jonno treatment right now. No it will be more of the same I think. That’s a worry, because our owners record signing both managers and players has been woeful so far. I completely agree, no way they will take that chance...but it's certainly working well for Bolton at the moment. |
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Post by tangerinedream on Mar 22, 2021 19:09:53 GMT
Considering GN's early days comments about not wanting to sack managers it seems rather hypocritical to say the least given that we are now looking at appointing our 5th manager in 7 seasons. While I still maintain that we shouldn't have sacked GA I'm also of the opinion that RW should have been given the opportunity of seeing in the new season - irrespective of whether we won promotion or not this season. Having won promotion with Swindon Town last season obviously suggests that he has the ability to succeed but I just think that he'd got to the stage where he was becoming that frustrated that he came out with that 'warm up' post match verdict in order to engineer an early exit. I also believe that his contract with the club was only till the end of the season which may well have made his mind up for him.
This latest episode in the soap opera that is Salford City will certainly make for great viewing in the ongoing TV documentary but my opinion is that we are fast becoming something of a laughing stock and quickly following in the footsteps of Oldham Athletic who have an owner who changes managers more often than his underpants. GN's ambition and drive are admirable but he has to take a long hard look as to how we are operating, how the club is being perceived and how we move forward in a realistic and measured way. I've said before that not getting promotion this season is not the end of the world. If it happens that's great, if not we brush ourselves down and start again after the inevitable closed season clear out. Having received the 'Midas Touch' with the arrival of the Class of '92 and all the riches that have ensued I begin to wonder whether as we look for our third managerial appointment of the present season whether we've actually been cursed. Having said that, we did have three managers in season 2008-09 and look how that one turned out. Back to the drawing board!
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