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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 12, 2020 11:44:16 GMT
Scholes in temp charge, but given Roy Keane’s constant visits to the games and again on Saturday....we’re they planning this all along?
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Post by chipbarm on Oct 12, 2020 11:57:30 GMT
I can’t say I’m surprised really, I reckon he might have gone last season but for Covid. This season has started pretty much as last season finished with poor home form but good away. I guess Saturday’s capitulation and the manner in which it happened meant they had had enough. Scholes hardly set the world on fire at Oldham last season and Keane whilst he was a great player has been a poor manager who I think is too hot headed for the role. Richie Wellens at Swindon would be my choice, the owners know him and he was briefly a player here. Whether he would drop back down a division who knows but he’s got a track record and his team plays decent football
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Post by salfordwalshy on Oct 12, 2020 12:53:50 GMT
What the hell? We are unbeaten in the league!!! we turning into a Chelsea here chopping and changing their manager all the time?  |
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 12, 2020 14:31:05 GMT
What the hell? We are unbeaten in the league!!! we turning into a Chelsea here chopping and changing their manager all the time? It’s not based on this season. It’s based on our very poor home form. I think the tactics and substitutions on Saturday were the final nail in the coffin. There’s hardly a manager in pro football that would have sat back so deep in a game where we were so dominant. Gary Neville must have looked ahead and thought....he’s going to do this every game. Even when he changed tactics, the signs were there, that we were giving them chance after chance, and he brought two strikers on. He sealed his own fate to be honest. |
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Post by gregs on Oct 12, 2020 14:43:52 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for Graham but it was probably inevitable given our home form. Maybe others had more of a say over which players got bought and sold and he never really got the side he wanted, we'll probably never know. I hope they managed to tell him face to face rather than the embarrassment that was the sacking of Phil Power.
GA's a decent manager at this level so I'm sure will eventually find work elsewhere.
Good luck to Paul Scholes. He was an absolutely top drawer footballer so let's hope he can do a decent job here. I don't think we can judge him on his time at Oldham where I don't think he stood a chance. Who knows whether a more permanent replacement has already been lined up.
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 12, 2020 14:48:01 GMT
I feel a bit sorry for Graham but it was probably inevitable given our home form. Maybe others had more of a say over which players got bought and sold and he never really got the side he wanted, we'll probably never know. I hope they managed to tell him face to face rather than the embarrassment that was the sacking of Phil Power. GA's a decent manager at this level so I'm sure will eventually find work elsewhere. Good luck to Paul Scholes. He was an absolutely top drawer footballer so let's hope he can do a decent job here. I don't think we can judge him on his time at Oldham where I don't think he stood a chance. Who knows whether a more permanent replacement has already been lined up. I expect they have someone lined up or at least on their radar. We know it won’t be Scholes. I expect a decent ex-league manager from League 1 or the championship. |
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Post by alanb on Oct 12, 2020 15:31:14 GMT
What the hell? We are unbeaten in the league!!! we turning into a Chelsea here chopping and changing their manager all the time? It’s not based on this season. It’s based on our very poor home form. I think the tactics and substitutions on Saturday were the final nail in the coffin. There’s hardly a manager in pro football that would have sat back so deep in a game where we were so dominant. Gary Neville must have looked ahead and thought....he’s going to do this every game. Even when he changed tactics, the signs were there, that we were giving them chance after chance, and he brought two strikers on. He sealed his own fate to be honest. Yeah. What you say is sad but true, Chris P. I have had the opportunity (that is, I don't think twice about walking up to people who I think will have something interesting to say and engaging them in conversation  ) to chat with GA a few times. One time at some length. And as a person he did come across to me as a thoroughly decent bloke. And I do sincerely hope that he's soon snapped up by another club ... and that he proves a to be a good fit and is truly happy there.
Another indisputable truth is that supporting modern-day Salford City FC can certainly never be boring and predictable! Although I half-joked with a fellow fan last night that this would happen today, it still caused me to take in a real deep breath when I heard that it had actually happened. And I still don't feel that it - and what might now follow - has really sunk in yet
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Post by alanb on Oct 12, 2020 15:38:30 GMT
PS: the other possible part of this shakeup that I half-joked about last night hasn't happened ... yet. And I kinda hope that it doesn't.
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Post by meatpie1 on Oct 12, 2020 16:02:31 GMT
maybe Warren Joyce is in the frame, a wealth of experience and well respected at all levels
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 12, 2020 16:35:11 GMT
maybe Warren Joyce is in the frame, a wealth of experience and well respected at all levels No chance. He was to be installed as the temp, but he was isolating. So Scholes came in. Warren would be a gamble and they won't take a gamble. Yes I know, everyone is a gamble, but they are not going to promote the youth team manager to full manager. |
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 12, 2020 16:37:52 GMT
It’s not based on this season. It’s based on our very poor home form. I think the tactics and substitutions on Saturday were the final nail in the coffin. There’s hardly a manager in pro football that would have sat back so deep in a game where we were so dominant. Gary Neville must have looked ahead and thought....he’s going to do this every game. Even when he changed tactics, the signs were there, that we were giving them chance after chance, and he brought two strikers on. He sealed his own fate to be honest. Yeah. What you say is sad but true, Chrisp P. I have had the opportunity (that is, I don't think twice about walking up to people who I think will have something interesting to say and engaging them in conversation ) to chat with GA a few times. One time at some length. And as a person he did come across to me a thoroughly decent bloke. And I do sincerely hope that he's soon snapped up by another club ... and that he proves a to be a good fit and is truly happy there.
Another indisputable truth is that supporting modern-day Salford City FC can certainly never be boring and predictable! Although I half-joked with a fellow fan last night that this would happen today, it still caused me to take in a real deep breath when I heard that it had actually happened. And I still don't feel that it - and what might now follow - has really sunk in yet
No doubt he's a decent and honest man. Sometimes, it just doesn't work out and they leave and thrive somewhere else. I genuinely hope that's the case. The footy we played in the first half was as good as I've seen at home. But he's a defender and he's always thinking safety first, when he should be closing games out. So what was the other shake-up you predicted? :-) |
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Post by tangerinedream on Oct 12, 2020 18:35:21 GMT
Genuinely surprised when I found out about GA's sacking. Despite the frustration felt around the seeming change of tactics, two disastrous substitutions and the comedy of errors that led to Tranmere's equaliser I really didn't see this coming and fully expected GA to be given till at least the end of the season particularly with the present difficult circumstances surrounding the game. Our abysmal home record coupled with his preference on defending - although the number of convincing away wins that we had under him might suggest otherwise - was probably the final straw. Are floating supporters going to want to come to Moor Lane if we can't buy a win at home? Our squad is smaller than it's ever been meaning that we haven't necessarily got the quality or experience to bring on as was highlighted last weekend. Have we got that many players on such high wages that makes it difficult for us to have a larger squad. Maybe lower wages would equate to a larger squad and more choice? Either way I'm sorry for GA as he is a very decent bloke who I'd liked us to have stuck with but apart from Gary Neville's unbridled ambition for the club who knows what brought this about. Perhaps there were words said or exchanged after Saturday's game which made the manager's position untenable? Maybe we'll find out in due course in the next instalment of the 'Class Of '92 - Out of Moor Lane' documentary!
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Post by tangerinedream on Oct 12, 2020 18:46:59 GMT
Scholes in temp charge, but given Roy Keane’s constant visits to the games and again on Saturday....we’re they planning this all along? |
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Post by Chris P. Bacon on Oct 12, 2020 19:22:07 GMT
Scholes in temp charge, but given Roy Keane’s constant visits to the games and again on Saturday....we’re they planning this all along? Sorry, I didn’t mean all along, I meant towards the end of last season. Wasn’t it Scholes that said of Man U under Mourinho, that he didn’t care what he won, the football was shite. I’m paraphrasing there. 😀 Gary Neville hasn’t made this decision on the spot. He probably wasn’t happy last season. We won 7 of our last 20 games. Less than 40%. This season, we are unbeaten, but anyone could see we were set to repeat the same mistakes of last year. I saw years of this type of football as a Bolton ST holder. Allardyce told the likes of JJ Okocha to cut out the fancy stuff. We’d sneak a goal and then put everyone behind the ball. Perhaps understandable if you’re the favourites for relegation, but not when you’re the favourites for the title. Our home form is such because GA didn’t want to lose at home. So every game was straight into damage limitation. Perhaps the pressure is just too much at Salford? Yes, he had success with us, but with an almost limitless budget. I wish him very well, but not sorry he’s gone. He didn’t get the best out of the players for much of last season. On Saturday, he did for 45 minutes, but something in-built made him switch us so what was a rampant overwhelming of a very weak Tranmere team, became a team trying their best to hang on. Come to think of it......maybe Gary Neville did make his mind up on Saturday? |
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Post by chipbarm on Oct 12, 2020 19:57:35 GMT
I am sure the decision was hastened by Saturday’s shambles but the owners must have had it in mind for a while. It looked like the pattern of last season was about to be repeated and a total of 9 wins from 25 games across 2 seasons is far from promotion form. I agree that GA is at heart a defensive, safety first kind of manager and the fact that there have been few games under his tenure where we have bombarded teams and the opposing keeper has played a blinder is indicative of that. Given the resources at his disposal it’s perhaps understandable why the owners patience has run out.
That said, surely they must have done due diligence on him before he was appointed. I can’t believe he has suddenly changed from a Kevin Keegan style manager into a cautious one so the owners must have known what they were getting. If results and expansive football was what they wanted then surely they should have looked elsewhere. I’m guessing he would have still been in post if results had been better but when neither is being delivered then it’s always going to be an issue. Good luck to whoever follows him, I just hope we don’t end up being the kind of club who changes manager every 18 months.
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) to chat with GA a few times. One time at some length. And as a person he did come across to me as a thoroughly decent bloke. And I do sincerely hope that he's soon snapped up by another club ... and that he proves a to be a good fit and is truly happy there.
